tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post543605525359767709..comments2023-10-02T11:21:50.310-04:00Comments on AROUND THE SCUTTLEBUTT: $2,000,000Machttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02067844122370343813noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-53782053419973417972008-06-28T14:45:00.000-04:002008-06-28T14:45:00.000-04:00Party line? What party do you imagine I endorse?T...Party line? What party do you imagine I endorse?<BR/><BR/>That was my own doing - massive corporation is, in fact true. I have been pointing out that the PC(USA) is a corporation - not something to be confused with the Church, the body of Christ, for a couple of years now. (Mostly because of things like the original severing clause in the first draft of the PUP report - which used the corporation and the Body of Christ interchangeably.) <BR/><BR/>The labels massive, large, multi-billion dollar - are simply accurate descriptors. In this case it is a massive corporation that has agreed to funnel money to fund lawsuits against individuals. It is a morally reprehensible thing - and those who go around talking about 'big corporations' are being very hypocritical not to see this.<BR/><BR/>Yes - I remember the David and Goliath story - but it was presumably God's action. The point being that David could not have won on his own, and it was far from the norm for that to happen. Here you have similar odds. Maybe God will intervene ... don't know. <BR/><BR/>But ultimately - you seem to be running interference for an utterly repellent legal tactic that is far worse than any other tactic employed by anyone in this dispute. And it would be bad in some secular dispute - coming from an organization that styles itself Christian, it is an obscenity.willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14704363296696705545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-60258350984348007582008-06-28T13:47:00.000-04:002008-06-28T13:47:00.000-04:00David v. Goliath--you do remember how that particu...David v. Goliath--you do remember how that particular contest turned out, don't you, Will? I have no worries for the LPC Inc trustees.<BR/><BR/>Massive corporation? Is that the new party line? You couldn't turn the PC(USA) into the Politburo so now it's Microsoft? Come now, these analogies are getting risible.Christinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10427339608996832295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-20489931102460643992008-06-28T12:04:00.000-04:002008-06-28T12:04:00.000-04:00christine - lets compare the relative assets of th...christine - lets compare the relative assets of the multi-billion dollar pcusa versus those of LPC. Hmmm - who gets to be David and who gets to be Goliath?<BR/><BR/>Besides which - are ANY individuals named seeking damages on the PC(USA) / PNNE side? Are any individuals having to defend themselves in court?<BR/><BR/>As I have said to others - I hope you never find yourself in the situation of having a massive corporation fund lawsuits against you. <BR/><BR/>Any way you look at it the PNNE action is morally vile.willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14704363296696705545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-15794111308755317222008-06-28T11:02:00.000-04:002008-06-28T11:02:00.000-04:00Christine:You guessed wrong.Christine:<BR/><BR/>You guessed wrong.Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02067844122370343813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-58759091926384460602008-06-28T10:19:00.000-04:002008-06-28T10:19:00.000-04:00I'm guessing the trustees of LPC Inc. won't have t...I'm guessing the trustees of LPC Inc. won't have to spend a dime, either.Christinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10427339608996832295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-36704186022104117872008-06-27T17:57:00.000-04:002008-06-27T17:57:00.000-04:00Excerpt from the PC(USA) website: The General Asse...Excerpt from the PC(USA) website:<BR/> <BR/>The General Assembly established a fund to help presbyteries pay legal fees incurred as churches leave the denomination, in particular the New Wineskins non-geographic presbytery of the Evangelical Presbyterian Church. This fund will not be part of the budget of the church. Rather it will be supplied by voluntary donations to an Extra Commitment Opportunity account created by an amendment to the original commissioner’s resolution.Reneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246126129271002134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-9280400787281769352008-06-27T10:55:00.000-04:002008-06-27T10:55:00.000-04:00The only good thing to come out of this mess was a...The only good thing to come out of this mess was an amendment passed that would make funding litigation an "Extra Commitment Opportunity" rather than a per capita expense.<BR/><BR/>Yeah, we'll get right on it, sending mission dollars to sue people.Presbymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17673477298859022278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-40790807055176098532008-06-27T10:28:00.000-04:002008-06-27T10:28:00.000-04:00Excelent analysis Mac. Thank you so much for all ...Excelent analysis Mac. Thank you so much for all your faithful work. <BR/><BR/>I just read the statement and resolution that has been released by the GA about finding common ground with Muslims. I also watched some of the streaming video and heard prayers refering to Muslims as our brothers and sisters. I was getting quite sickened by this until I read your analysis. If this is the way that the GA deals with brothers and sisters, maybe they will finally get tough against Muslim extremists? <BR/><BR/>When I step back and looks at all the actions of the GA together, I marvel at the insanity. "No one stops to think...He feeds on ashes, a deluded heart misleads him; he cannot save himself, or say, 'Is not this thing in my right hand a lie?'" (Isaiah 44: 19a, 20)Adel Thaloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14059435921761098111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-84331442899377042022008-06-27T03:19:00.000-04:002008-06-27T03:19:00.000-04:00Mac,Are the legal documents available anywhere onl...Mac,<BR/>Are the legal documents available anywhere online? <BR/><BR/>This passed the GA, by the way. But I'm not sure the commissioners understood the money was specifically for the PC(USA), a multi-billion dollar corporation, to fund lawsuits against individual trustees of a local congregation. <BR/><BR/>If so, then this GA is just plain evil.willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14704363296696705545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-40704272638544119992008-06-26T18:37:00.000-04:002008-06-26T18:37:00.000-04:00You know, that makes a LOT of sense. How else wou...You know, that makes a LOT of sense. How else would the PCUSA session be able to afford suing twelve individuals simultaneously?<BR/><BR/>(I doubt the PCUSA congregation is still around 80 members, though, unless you count all of the kids. In fact, I've heard that it's more like 50. Then again, they seem to think they need three pastors...)<BR/><BR/>Mac, as a member of LPC, I want to thank you for your hard work on the church's behalf. I'm confident that our side will win, and I am SO looking forward to that day.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03414744370865553876noreply@blogger.com