tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post5323503628022696653..comments2023-10-02T11:21:50.310-04:00Comments on AROUND THE SCUTTLEBUTT: PANIC IN LOUISVILLEMachttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02067844122370343813noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-4438369079269101932008-06-15T12:51:00.000-04:002008-06-15T12:51:00.000-04:00Hi Mac,My experience is that once people learn how...Hi Mac,<BR/><BR/>My experience is that once people learn how far the leaders of their denomination have strayed from Biblical, orthodox, reformed Christianity, they don't care. Once they find out how this affects them in their local congregations, they begin to care, but only a little. Once they really understand their own faith, then understand liberalism, neoliberalism, and Barthian Neoorthodoxy alongside it, they wonder why we continue to remain in the denomination. But until real leadership steps up in a local congregation, nothing ever truly happens. Those who do understand and care, tend to simply leave out the back door, with little or no fanfare. I tend to believe that it is the pastors that have dropped the ball, and have sacrificed their true inheritance for a bowl of gruel. I therefore tend to lay the blame for the condition of this and other mainline denominations on Pastors and Elders who are true believers, but have chosen to look the other way and ignore the heresy going on under their noses. They have chosen not to discipline heretical views. They have chosen not to call for the removal of those who deny essentials of the faith. They have chosen not to work for the purity, peace and unity of this denomination and in so doing left the wolves in charge of the flock.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I am very grateful to you and your continued stand for the inerrant Word of the Living God, who does not change.<BR/><BR/>I have commented further on the lost foundation of Orthodoxy in the PCUSA on my blog.<BR/><BR/>http://graceandlaw.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>In the Grace and Peace of Jesus the one and only way, truth and life and the only way to the Father,<BR/>Adel ThalosAdel Thaloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14059435921761098111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-42933809013368467712008-06-14T11:15:00.000-04:002008-06-14T11:15:00.000-04:00Oooops. "Study and comment..."Oooops. "Study and comment..."Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02067844122370343813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-72886366997392125412008-06-14T11:14:00.000-04:002008-06-14T11:14:00.000-04:00Rich-From a purely constitutional point of view, y...Rich-From a purely constitutional point of view, you are right. The nFOG will not become effective until the amendment is ratified by the presbyteries. However, if the GA adopts it and sends it to the presbyteries for ratification, I anticipate that presbyteries will halt all consideration of dismissal requests pending the outcome of the ratification process.<BR/><BR/>If as Bruce suggests, the nFOG is received and referred to the presbyteries for study and content, expect immense pressure from Louisville on the presbyteries to take no action until the ratification process is completed sometime in 2011 or 2012.<BR/><BR/>In either event, it will be a tool for delay.Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02067844122370343813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-80791578104343079722008-06-12T19:47:00.000-04:002008-06-12T19:47:00.000-04:00This is just crazy sad.I think Bill has seen thing...This is just crazy sad.<BR/><BR/>I think Bill has seen things clearly here. I suspect many are appalled, and find themselves massively conflicted, hands tied. <BR/><BR/>And BRC has the right posture. What's wrong with walking apart together? - perhaps not forever, but for now- entrusting our paths to the one who promises to direct our feet?<BR/><BR/>thanks MAC,<BR/>dmDave Moodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08217094060036455319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-17179697977340690742008-06-12T13:49:00.000-04:002008-06-12T13:49:00.000-04:00One must wonder if the presbytery folks are really...One must wonder if the presbytery folks are really at work in this action. Maybe a few are "on board" but I suspect many are as appalled as the rest of us.<BR/><BR/>And the Exec could well be stuck in the middle. After all he must carry out the will of the governing body and at this point he is under the direction of the Synod's Adm Commission on all matters pertaining to property.<BR/><BR/>Prayer, prayer, prayer!<BR/><BR/>Bruce:<BR/><BR/>Only an openhanded negotiated split will get this thing out of the courts. Time for this GA to overthrow the "powers that be".Bill Crawfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05748091341766506913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-52225948743543542932008-06-12T10:54:00.000-04:002008-06-12T10:54:00.000-04:00Strode - That is true, but most think that at the ...Strode - That is true, but most think that at the mostly likely scenario will be some kind of provisional time for more study and input. Still, I think the best hope for everyone is is to engage in as grace-filled disengagement for PC(USA) churches. As i have been talking with folks it is clear to me that all sides (and there are more than two) have some ownership of some of the more unhealthy situations. Ahh . . . but such is life when people of faith believe with such passion and faith.Reyes-Chowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11451771444245327378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276267521101080166.post-44438102264724201972008-06-11T21:08:00.000-04:002008-06-11T21:08:00.000-04:00Mac - If GA approves the nFoG, doesn't it have to ...Mac - If GA approves the nFoG, doesn't it have to go to all of the presbyteries for a vote before it becomes operative?<BR/>If so, congregations should have time (albeit short) to disaffiliate under the current constitution.<BR/><BR/>Rich<BR/><BR/>(Sorry if this is a duplicate - I wasn't sure if the first comment posted.)Strodehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777505810712398056noreply@blogger.com